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Title: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Psimpson7 on March 02, 2012, 01:31:37 PM
Hi Guys,

First post here. I have searched but couldnt find anything specific. I also spent about 4 days waiting to be able to post on the old track trailer forum after joining that, only realising now that it had been closed!  :-[

Anyway, I have an ex RAAF Track trailer with the MC2 that I have been making into a camper trailer (Cant afford a TVAN yet!). I removed all the suspension the other day and it is currently being blasted and having 2 layers of powder coating. All being well I should get it back on Friday next week.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Psimpson7/Track%20trailer/81352ee3.jpg~original)

I have read that there are instructions avaialble for putting it back together and setting the alignment.

Would anyone have these, or know where to get them from?

Thanks very much
Peter
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Alpaca on March 02, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
Welcome to the Forum Peter.
Have you tried contacting Track Trailer direct. They may be helpful to you.
I recall reading something recently about suspension but wether it's relevant to your query I couldn't say.
Craig "The Hueys" frequents this site and he posted about cambers and set up recently.
He may answer your post when he's next on line.

Cheers

Alpaca
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: ChrisN on March 02, 2012, 08:57:57 PM
Hi Peter - welcome to the forum (from another newbie :) ).

I'd love to see some more photos of your trailer. I saw one (ex-Army) up at Davies Plain Hut on Australia Day, towed by an interesting Isuzu (I think). It certainly looked very capable.  I've just purchased a 2003 model Tvan and the suspension arms have already been sandblasted for me; on one side anyway!

Cheers!
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Phil G on March 02, 2012, 11:22:51 PM
Alpaca,  I attempted to obtain wheel alignment info from Track a few weeks back (I was wanting to check my wheel alignment according to their method), but they were reluctant to depart with this information because of concerns over my personal safety.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Psimpson7 on March 02, 2012, 11:36:45 PM
Hi Alpaca,

Cheers. I have emailed Track via their website contact page, but haven't heard back yet. I didn't wan't to bother them on the phone straight away.

Hopefully someone does have the info avaialable if its not possible to get direct. If I have had no luck by the time I get the arms back I will try calling them.

Hopefully Craig may have some info.

Hi Chris,

Thanks! The front half had been on mine too!

I dont have a lot of good pictures really. Here's one from its first run out last weekend to Pebbly Beach behind my Disco. Normal tow car will be my Defender 90 so the fact it comes with the correct hub pattern and track is a bonus.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Psimpson7/Track%20trailer/13d3a6dd.jpg~original)

I probably do have a bit much time on my hands though so have been playing about with some custom mods..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Psimpson7/Track%20trailer/7c71c1f7.jpg~original)

If anyone is interested I can put up a few pics of progress, as I go, but i dont want to clutter up this forum.

Hi Phil,

Thanks for that, lets hope someone has the details, although as I am not changing anything, I cant see it being particually serious to just put it back together!

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: ChrisN on March 03, 2012, 10:44:32 AM
Well I (for one) would certainly be interested to see the process on the mods program. If the pics indicate the standard you are working to for for design and construction, then we can certainly pick up some good tips by watching.

I guess the trailer came with a pintle hook hitch. Are you still using that?  What is a pintle hook like to tow with - I'd imagine it would be pretty noisy.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on March 03, 2012, 08:05:15 PM
This is a difficult one for me due to intellectual property reasons. I can't send you a copy having been a former employee, as it may be considered stealing.

At this point in time it is best you contact Track's service department direct and try to get a copy from them. They are the same as Tvan.

However many copies were sent out to Tvan (and some Topaz owners may have a copy of the revised instructions I wrote mid last year) owners during my time at Track so someone here may have a copy they can send you.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: White Ghost on March 23, 2012, 05:03:08 PM
I have a copy of the instructions if you still require them I can send a copy no problems.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Camperman2 on March 23, 2012, 05:36:57 PM
White Ghost, could you post the information here?  Most Tvan owners live well away from the Track factory and it would be impossible for them to get back there for an alignment.  I would hope that any reasonable suspension mechanic (wheel aligner) could follow the Track instructions and carry out the work.  I am confident that my mechanic could do so.
Gordon
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: White Ghost on March 26, 2012, 04:39:21 PM
This document is 8.5MB, so I believe it can not be posted on the web page????? please confirm. Otherwise I am happy to email anyone who would like it.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: MYT150 on March 26, 2012, 05:05:36 PM
White Ghost,

Send it to me and I will put it up.

Regards

Aidan
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Psimpson7 on March 31, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
Thanks Guys, I got a copy and its all back together.

Is there a more suitable section for me to put up progress pics on this? General chat doesnt seem suitable, and there isnt a specific section for the ex RAAF stuff.

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: ftg racing on December 06, 2013, 09:11:45 AM
sorry to mine an old thread but I am after a copy of the wheel align doc if somebody could please email it to me.
darren@ftgracing.com.au

cheers
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: signmaster on December 06, 2013, 08:58:59 PM
I am also after a copy, it would. Be greatly appreciated if a copy could be emailed to me, steve@signsplus.com.au
Steve


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Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: gnome 52 on December 09, 2013, 09:14:27 PM
I'm also after a copy too if possible!  email to-----   neilgknight@gmail.com   -----     thanks,  Neil
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Underbelly on December 09, 2013, 10:29:02 PM
Hi there, could you send a copy my way too please - david.banks@westnet.com.au.

Thanks, David
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: MYT150 on December 09, 2013, 10:40:05 PM
send
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 15, 2013, 08:58:46 PM
I would also love a copy if possible - phil@wyatt-family.com
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: ftg racing on December 15, 2013, 09:27:41 PM

sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: lexm on December 16, 2013, 12:09:14 AM
Can I get a copy please.
lex@morley.ws


Thanks
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: peterjantvan on December 16, 2013, 12:08:52 PM
Can i also have a copy please

petertmalden@bigpond.com
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Harry Lissimore on December 16, 2013, 02:49:54 PM
And me please....

harrylissimore@optusnet.com.au

Thankyou

Harry
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 16, 2013, 03:43:55 PM
3 copies sent ........> :)
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: jetjr on December 16, 2013, 04:24:00 PM
Phil, me too please
jwmr@bigpond.com.au
Thx
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 16, 2013, 06:41:57 PM
....and another one  ;)
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Cracka on December 16, 2013, 07:13:11 PM
Please Sir could I have 1 too......

michorne2 at bigpond.com


Thanks

Mick
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 16, 2013, 08:32:22 PM
...consider it done!
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Cracka on December 16, 2013, 08:36:59 PM
Got it......thanks mate.

Mick
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Scruff on December 17, 2013, 07:05:30 PM
Could I please have a copy
scruff1948@gmail.com
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Harry Lissimore on December 17, 2013, 08:01:15 PM
Thanks tastrak, you're a legend!
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: ftg racing on December 17, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
Could I please have a copy
scruff1948@gmail.com

sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: frank on December 17, 2013, 11:55:31 PM
Could you send a copy to roosdorp01@optusnet.com.au , will this be applicable to the Topaz?                  Thanks
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 18, 2013, 07:31:23 AM
Hi Frank,

I have sent a copy through but as a new TVAN owner I am not sure if the same procedure applies to the Topaz. Others may be able to advise.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: peterjantvan on December 18, 2013, 04:00:29 PM
Thanks great service
Peter
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Scruff on December 18, 2013, 04:47:16 PM
Thanks to Darren and Phil for the info.
Ian
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Miffo on December 19, 2013, 10:59:01 PM
I'd also love a copy to be sent to rmifflin@hotmail.com  Thanks and have a great Christmas
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 20, 2013, 07:55:35 AM
Copy sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Patrol Dude on December 21, 2013, 07:45:50 AM
Hey guys,  can you please send a copy to me as well. Jeff_winter1@bigpond.com

Merry Xmas & a Happy New Year to All


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Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 21, 2013, 11:50:40 AM
Copy sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on December 21, 2013, 04:02:20 PM
Topaz procedure is the same but spacer lengths and toe adjustment spec is different.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Heifer Boy on December 22, 2013, 09:27:18 AM
Hi Darren. Yet another copy please.

owendandmichelle at gmail dot com

Cheers,
HB
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 22, 2013, 09:38:38 AM
Copy sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Craig and Kathy on December 23, 2013, 12:58:29 AM
Hi Phil

Well we have had our tvan for just over 10 years and all is running well and have had no issues yet with wheel alignment, but can you please forward a copy to me as well at cwckjd@bigpond.com




Cheers

Craig & Kathy
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 23, 2013, 09:04:34 AM
Copy sent Craig and Cathy

Like you, I am just gathering useful information as I find it. You can never have too many notesheets on maintenance and tips and tricks from other users. Hopefully I will never need to do an alignment but its good to check it out in the comfort of your home rather than on the side of a bush track somewhere. At least you can be prepared.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: dt on December 23, 2013, 01:06:57 PM
G'day Phil. I too would love as copy and would very much appreciate if you can send one to me. I too like to know how things work even if i hope never to have to do it out in the bush.
No rush.
All the best and good travels.
david
david.tiller@karooconsulting.com.au
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 23, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
copy sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: skoller on December 23, 2013, 05:00:45 PM
Phil,
      Could you send me a copy too. Thanks. Merry Christmas everyone.
       srkoller@bigpond.com
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 23, 2013, 05:11:01 PM
Copy sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: ftg racing on December 23, 2013, 07:32:40 PM
hasnt this thread got popular
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Alpaca on December 23, 2013, 09:36:35 PM
hasnt this thread got popular

LOL It sure has and I haven't asked for a copy as it would be beyond my capabilities to work on the suspension as I'm a wood worker not a metal worker.
Alpaca
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on December 24, 2013, 12:29:16 AM
You blokes crack me up.
I thought a copy was needed so the repairer had no excuse when they stuffed it.
Especially when some goose 'sees a pigeon'.  And convinces them 'they absolutely need an alignment', selling them a second hand tyre for their spare. 
Thinking it won't return, because they're tourists, they won't be bothered or angry enough to get retribution.

I love this Forum, I laugh so much, sometimes I fall off my chair.

If I hurt myself, because of you lot, it's gonna be real hard to remember who caused it.

Robert.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: malleefowl on December 28, 2013, 01:02:36 PM
I have a track Eagle with tvan suspension and would appreciate a copy.
malleefowl@netspace.net.au
Happy New Year
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: 2C-OZ on December 29, 2013, 12:13:24 PM
Sounds like this could be a full time job! Could I have a copy as well please?
Sorejo@bigpond.com
Safe travels
John


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Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on December 31, 2013, 04:10:17 PM
Copies sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Nanook on January 03, 2014, 08:18:43 AM
russell.seery@gmail.com

Could I have a copy as well please?

Thanks
Russ


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Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: gnome 52 on January 03, 2014, 03:22:22 PM
To  The Hueys------Craig you mentioned earlier that this procedure is the same for the Topaz but the spacer length and toe adjustment specs are different !! could you please advise on the differences?  Regards  Neil
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on January 03, 2014, 05:33:30 PM
I don't have a copy of the procedure I wrote (I suspect all the ones being emailed are the older version) and I can't recall for sure but something in the back of my mind says the spacer is 300mm and the toe setting is 0mm but you may have to try confirming this with Track.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Heifer Boy on January 06, 2014, 11:40:51 PM
Hi Phil. Thanks for sending me an email but I really need learn how to type my own email address properly in the future. I had a typo in it so could I bother you to send it again to the address below. It's right this time...

owenandmichelle at gmail dot com

Cheers,
HB
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on January 07, 2014, 07:32:59 AM
 :-[ Second copy sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: LGM on January 11, 2014, 11:23:27 AM
Phil,

You have been busy! Now your send button has had a little rest could I also have a copy please?

lizlinds@antmail.com.au

Lindsay Morrison
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on January 11, 2014, 11:58:15 AM
On its way Lindsay  :)
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: LGM on January 11, 2014, 12:10:11 PM
Phil,

Many thanks.

Interesting process that will require a little bit more kit!

Hey it is a great day to check the forum (inside in A/C comfort) as it is 40 degrees here right now! Makes me wonder what it will be like by this afternoon?
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: myles on January 19, 2014, 06:21:04 PM
Hi Phil,
I have maintenance planned for my van and would also appreciate a copy- mylesferguson@bigpond.com
Thank you in advance
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: thewelshgang on January 19, 2014, 11:21:30 PM
G'day Phil,

I hate missing out on all the fun, do ya reckon you could flick me a copy.

Will be very handy in the near future  :)

Cheers, Nige

thewelshgang@gmail.com
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: letsgobush on January 19, 2014, 11:48:49 PM
After having a set of tyres scrub out on the inside I made up the required safety stands and I have followed the instructions for checking wheel alignment on my tvan and found it to be 11mm toe OUT (14mm out from spec based on 3mm toe in).
No amount of tightening the trailing arm nut or loosening the cross arm nut brings it any where near the 3mm toe IN. Any ideas how to rectify this?  Thanks Tony
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on January 20, 2014, 05:14:06 PM
That would certainly wear out the tyres.

With that much toe out you should be able to tell if it is just one side that is the problem, or both if you are able to take some measurements to a fixed point on the body or chassis and assuming that nothing is bent find where the work needs to be done (I'm not sure I've seen any suspension this far out without something having a slight bend but you never know).

So, one or both arms is either bent or made slightly wrong (I've only ever seen slight variance, not to that extent), either way it may be hard to tell without pulling everything apart and measuring against a set of new arms to check the dimensions. If everything appears straight you can try putting another of the large washers between the inner bush and the cross arm which will give push the arm out thus increasing the toe in and then starting from scratch with the 80mm bush measurement from there instead of the end of the arm. To get this end of the arm out does require it to be unbolted from the trailing arm which makes it a big heavy job.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: letsgobush on January 21, 2014, 12:40:29 AM
Craig, thanks for the reply. To look at the wheels / tyres on the van sitting on the ground you would not know it had that much toe-out.  Yes the arms are heavy and awkward to work with although once you work out how to dismantle the assembly it is pretty easy going. I have had a good look over them and measured and compared lengths and angles against each other, nothing appears bent or different although without spec' measurements it is hard to tell though. I know from our trips the van has not been in any situation that would have bent the arms or axle back to cause that sort of toe out. I tried slackening off the cross arm (axle) nut to the end of the thread so the nylock was just on the thread & gave the suspension a good workout up and down several times to settle it into position. In theory this should have seen the axle pushed out and forward thus increasing toe in. I got 2mm less toe out from that exercise. The only time I got close was to remove the rear rubbers and cup washers from the trailing arms and put them to the front and tighten it all back up, 80mm on the cross arm rubbers and with the trailing arms pulled up against the chassis mounts I had 10mm toe in. With one washer & rubber put back on the rear of one trailing arm and the other with out a rubber I had 3mm toe in. That was 27mm removed from the system to get the 3mm toe in. In theory, that suggests I need to remove 12 - 13 mm from each side to balance the whole lot out evenly. I'll go back and have another go at measuring and adjusting, each time making sure to give the arms a good work out through their mounts after the adjustment to be sure they are sitting in the right position before measuring and adjusting. thanks..
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Crockett on January 26, 2014, 11:41:34 PM
Hi , Id really appreciate a copy of this, one of my arms has slight build fault when the stub axle was welded in, and want to get it back as close as I can to correct,
cheers Dave

2davecrockett@gmail.com
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Rob on January 27, 2014, 04:59:46 PM
Hi Phil,

Any chance you can flick a copy to me also at: robprentice@westnet.com.au

Thanks in advance
Rob
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tastrax on January 30, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Copies sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Crockett on January 30, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Copies sent


Thanks Phil  :)
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Elmer on February 02, 2014, 07:13:05 AM
Hello Phil - would you kindly forward a copy to jfe.oz@optusnet.com.au

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: ftg racing on February 02, 2014, 08:50:17 AM
Hello Phil - would you kindly forward a copy to jfe.oz@optusnet.com.au

Thanks in advance.

sent
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Elmer on February 04, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
Received with thanks.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: AndyRW on February 11, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
Gidday Phil,
may I also be a pain and get a copy to please. sjw6159@gmail.com.

We have just completed 12 months away in our Tvan and I think it is time to do a little house keeping on it including checking alignments etc.

Best regards

Steve

Got it, thanks Phil.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Slick on February 11, 2014, 09:38:28 PM
Hi All,

I used the instructions very successfully over the weekend to complete an axle swap on my MKIII Murranji.  Pulled the 100sIFS\200 offset and slid in a set of s\hand "standard" Nissan offsets so now Tug & Trailer are interchangeable :).

All in all a fairly straight forward exercise conducted very safely on a 4 post hoist with the assistance of two outstanding mates  :D

FYI - Checked alignment before swap at -5mm (just out of spec).  Now set up at -2mm with new axles (within spec).

Fitted all new rubbers\bushes along with new lock nuts ex Track Trailer (and all very reasonably priced).

Will have the 100sIFS\200 gear up on the For Sale section soon ...

Vince.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: andrew_m on March 25, 2014, 06:09:16 PM
Hi Phil
Could you shoot a copy my way please? :)
aemorgan@bigpond.net.au
Thanks
Andrew
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Big Unit on March 27, 2014, 08:19:35 PM
May I have a copy, please.
stevo.sh96@gmail.com
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: MYT150 on April 03, 2014, 12:10:50 AM
HI,

I have set the document up on a file sharing site linked to the forum
http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/files (http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/files)
You will need to log in using
Username - User1
Password - user1TWO

Regards

Aidan
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: aquanaught on April 06, 2014, 09:31:36 PM
HI,

I have set the document up on a file sharing site linked to the forum
http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/files (http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/files)
You will need to log in using
Username - User1
Password - user1TWO

Regards

Aidan

Many thanks for setting up the site link and supplying the document.

Gary

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Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: AndyRW on April 28, 2014, 01:50:33 PM
I was wondering if one of the forum members could help me out with some advice on the toe-in adjustment.
I have the email from Phil with the photos and instructions.
I understand all until the last section where it shows to use a rattle gun to adjust the toe-in, if you adjust one side so that the toe-in is the correct measurement aren't you running the risk of pulling the suspension to one side only?
I know I'm missing something obvious here but for the life of me can't figure out what.

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on April 28, 2014, 06:12:49 PM
I'm not sure in what context these instructions were written as they were done after I left (don't know what was wrong with my original ones, but without having a copy of them on hand I don't know if I missed any details ::)) but I would never use a rattle gun to adjust the toe other than to get the rough 80mm before making it accurate with a spanner. Calipers really should be used to get the 80mm adjustment as by setting the calipers to 80mm then you are making sure all the bushes are adjusted the same (within reasonable tolerances). Use a spanner or socket on a ratchet/breaker bar for the final adjustment

My recommendation (having done hundreds of MC2 alignments) is to use a spanner or a socket on a ratchet/breaker bar to adjust the toe and do each side the same number of flats on the nut for each measurement. If you need more toe in then tighten the trailing arms 6 flats (one full turn) both sides and then recheck the measurement (loosening the cross arms a bit can also increase toe in). If you need more toe out then tighten the cross arms 6 flats and recheck (again loosening the trailing arms can give more toe out) keep doing this in ever decreasing amounts until you are happy with the adjustment. Always try to adjust both sides by the same amount. If you don't want to count flats you can make adjustments in whole, 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 turns.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on April 28, 2014, 06:26:09 PM
Looking through the instructions again I can see why Track would be reluctant to send these out to owners. There is no mention of the safety requirements that need to be taken into consideration when doing the job. Given the file name includes SOP I suspect it was created for the factory where safety would be covered elsewhere. None the less, rattle guns should not be used to set toe.

If anyone has a copy of the last ones I wrote could they please send me a copy to look through. They start out with photos of the types of stands that should be used and I'm pretty sure cover both Tvan and Topaz. I'll see if there are any other details that might be relevant (although the attached ones cover most).
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: AndyRW on April 28, 2014, 08:27:48 PM
So Craig are you saying if you adjust the cross arms and trailing arms to the 80mm tolerance there would only be slight adjustment required to the the trailing arm nuts to bring it up to spec via using the 2 flat 600mm steel rules placed on the hub stubs for confirmation?
If you PM me I can send you info I have to check out.

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on April 30, 2014, 06:06:28 PM
Sometimes there is very little adjustment, especially when new but sometimes there can be quite a bit of adjustment required due to manufacturing variance, bush compression over time, etc. The 80mm is just there for a starting point, which in many cases will be close to the correct toe, that should get both sides even to begin with.

I've had some, like my own Tvan, that cannot be adjusted to the correct spec so you do the best you can to get it as close as possible (no different to cars really, I've done alignments on brand new GT's that I couldn't get to the correct factory specs). From memory my Tvan is running 0 toe as that is the closest I could get it.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: AndyRW on May 20, 2014, 01:13:24 PM
Something I discovered yesterday when doing the alignment, if you have the second tank installed you need to use the studs at the bottom as the tank gets in the way. This requires zip tying your straight edge measures to the studs if using anything bigger than a steel rule, I was using two arms from a folding clothes line that caravanners use and improvising calipers for measuring with the good old wire clothes hanger. takes a bit of fiddling but can be done as long as you are careful.

For the record after getting all measurments to 80mm for the bolts holding the axles and swinging arms, my toe in came in at -4mm, so within specs if you add the +/- 1mm allowed.

will now wait to see if there is any difference in tyre wear to previous.

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: CJ on May 31, 2014, 10:44:44 AM
Guys,
Please help me with a temporary fix.
My driver side tire is wearing on the inside edge.  Quite badly.  The passenger side is wearing evenly
I will get the balance done by an agent as I do not have sufficient jacks stands etc. to do it safely myself.
But in the meantime, knowing the inside of only one wheel is wearing so very fast, what is the quick fix?
Do I loosen or tighten the trailing arm of that wheel?
Please assist, cheers
CJ
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: CJ on May 31, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Guys
Further to my post above, it is actually my camber that is out to buggery
Using a simple level that I use for my camp setup, my passenger wheel is almost perfectly vertical, but the driver side wheel sits with the bottom outwards
Again, please advise of a quick fix as it will be a while before I am somewhere to have it done proper.
Do I let the axle nut out a little?
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on June 01, 2014, 12:22:20 PM
The quick fix for tyre wear as described is to tighten the front nut on the trailing arm on the side that is wearing as that will pull the toe setting on that side in.

However, if the camber is out to buggery on one side then that tends to indicate a bent suspension arm or stub axle (which also messes up the toe) for which there is not easy fix. The arm will have to be replaced if this is what is wrong.

Most bent arms I've seen bend on the cross tube inboard of the spring mount which is usually caused by a very hard bottom out where the bumpstop stops everything but the momentum of the wheel and hub can be enough to want to keep moving and cause the arm to pivot around the sprint and bend the tube.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: CJ on June 01, 2014, 04:26:28 PM
Craig
thanks for your reply
There does not appear to be anything bent, to the naked eye anyway
Please advise what (if any) difference tightening the axle nuts do?  It does not appear to be part of the adjustment in the instructions at all.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on June 05, 2014, 05:21:46 AM
If by axle nuts you mean the cross arm mount nuts then tightening them gives you more toe out and loosening them increases toe in but not to the same extent as the trailing arms but they can be used to fine tune the alignment if necessary.

One thing not usually mentioned during alignment is that the hub nuts must be correctly adjusted, if the bearings are too loose then you can get poor measurements due to the movement of the hubs.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: leachy_9 on June 13, 2014, 11:26:24 PM
Last weekend I swapped out my suspension so I can match the TVan wheels to the tow vehicle. I also took the opportunity to replace all the suspension bushes and brakes. I set up the distances across the trailing arm and axle bushes as described in the wheel alignment instructions. Then when I checked the toe-in it was spot on 3mm with no further adjustment needed - Too easy.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: CJ on June 14, 2014, 10:22:44 AM
Leachy
How do you know your camber is right though?
CJ
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: leachy_9 on June 14, 2014, 12:16:49 PM
How do you know your camber is right though?

Once off the stands I put a level vertically on the outside of the tyres and as far as I could tell it is close to zero camber.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: CJ on December 02, 2014, 01:33:11 PM
Guys,

I performed the wheel alignment as DIY
For what it is worth, I had to tighten all nuts as tight as I can possible can to get within tolerance.
As for the camber, I had to tighten the axle nut as much as possibly could to bring the wheel to vertical.
CJ
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on December 07, 2014, 08:03:30 AM
The camber isn't adjustable. You just have to assume it is correct. It varies with the load on the van due to the swinging action of the suspension.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Chris on December 08, 2014, 06:58:05 PM
Craig,

What then to do if my tires are wearing out on only the inside shoulder,
By tightening the axle nuts surely you move the camber in the process by 'shortening' the axle and pulling the wheel inwards
(just by a very few mm though)
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on December 22, 2014, 10:50:41 AM
Inside shoulder wear is (usually) caused by excessive toe out. Shortening the axle by tightening the nuts on the cross arm will pull the wheel in slightly and so will technically have an effect on camber but it has a much greater effect on toe. Tightening the cross arm nuts will give more toe out, making any wear issue worse.

Over time, as the suspension bushes settle, Tvan suspension tends to toe out and therefor needs periodical adjustment to bring it back to the correct spec to minimise uneven tyre wear.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: bails81 on January 07, 2015, 08:02:18 PM
Hi All,

I picked up a 1995 Track Eagle just after Christmas. I'm in the process of stripping down the bearings, brakes and suspension to replace worn bushes etc. While I'm at it I plan to remove the all suspension etc to have it blasted and repainted (there's a lot of surface rust).

I've downloaded the instructions hosted on the file sharing service from this thread, but before I get too excited pulling it all apart can someone confirm if the instructions apply an older Eagle like mine?

Cheers
bails
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: The Hueys on January 07, 2015, 08:05:25 PM
MC2 Eagles and Tvans share the same suspension set up, so the instructions are the same.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: smur8104 on January 22, 2015, 11:02:17 PM
Me too please! Got some suspension work to do and probably will need alignment instructions to get everything straight!
Regards . . . .
Simon
smur8104@gmail.com
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Andrew Veale on January 27, 2015, 10:29:40 PM
I would also love a copy of wheel alignment as rebuilding rolled 2007 canning if someone could email it to andrewveale@gamgroup.com.au would be much appreciated cheers
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: MYT150 on January 27, 2015, 10:55:07 PM
Details are in this post http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/index.php?topic=119.msg7281#msg7281 (http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/index.php?topic=119.msg7281#msg7281)
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: rickster on June 13, 2015, 09:37:25 AM
First time forum, recently purchased 2002 Tvan in mint condition but didn't come with any Dvd's or instructions or alignment instructions. A little frustrating but still worth the purchase. Hoping someone can send me info on these please. Rick
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Andrew Veale on June 13, 2015, 10:12:20 AM
Hi rick i rebuilt my 2007 tvan purchased it rolled i have rebuilt it from the ground up i can send you a copy of the suspension alignment and set up procedure if you like feel free to give me a ring if you like 0418577336 im in tullamarine area cheers
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Jenny on June 15, 2015, 07:10:49 AM
Can I please get a copy to?
131bounty@gmail.com

Would b greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Alien on June 15, 2015, 02:33:35 PM
This is the post MYT105 linked to.
I just followed the log in details and the file is still available.
HI,

I have set the document up on a file sharing site linked to the forum
http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/files (http://www.tracktrailerforums.com/files)
You will need to log in using
Username - User1
Password - user1TWO

Regards

Aidan
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tagz281 on August 22, 2015, 07:22:32 PM
If anyone that has a copy of this and is happy to Email to tagz281@internode.on.net it would be greatly appreciated

Thanks
Simon
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: tagz281 on August 22, 2015, 10:54:37 PM
All good the link above worked this time.

Thanks
Simon
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: freelander dave on May 17, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
Lee Ward at Leeroys Automotive 67 Mitchell Road, Cardiff (Newcastle Area) phone 02 49544073 has replaced springs, shocks, suspension rubbers and wheel bearings as well as a wheel alignment (as per track specifications) on our 2011 t van canning. Excellent service with quality work.
Title: Re: MC2 Suspension overhaul - alignment
Post by: Dmines1 on October 04, 2019, 04:07:56 PM
I just used the above link as per Alien's post and it still works.

Cheers